Forbidden Flame and Forbidden Flesh Jewels
Forbidden Flame and Forbidden Flesh are unique jewels that grant an ascendancy notable from a different ascendancy within the same base class. You need both jewels with matching notable names — one Flame, one Flesh — socketed into your passive tree for the effect to activate. The total cost is the combined price of both jewels.
How It Works
- Select a base class (Marauder, Witch, Ranger, etc.) to see all ascendancy notables available through Forbidden jewels for that class.
- Each row shows a notable, which ascendancy it belongs to, the individual Flesh and Flame prices, and the combined total cost.
- Prices are pulled from poe.ninja trade data — the Flesh price is for Forbidden Flesh with that notable, and Flame is for Forbidden Flame with the same notable.
- Click the trade link to open a search for the specific jewel on pathofexile.com. You need to buy one of each.
- The ascendancy tree visualization shows the notable positions within each ascendancy. Hover over nodes to see their stats and prices.
Example: A Juggernaut Picks Up Elementalist Ranged Bonuses
A Juggernaut bow build wants the Elementalist "Heart of Destruction" notable for more damage while stationary. Juggernaut is a Marauder ascendancy, so technically cross-class jewels are not possible — but Trickster (Shadow) or Deadeye (Ranger) notables would be. Pick a notable that actually matches the base class first.
Switch to a Raider (Ranger class) looking at Pathfinder's "Master Toxicist". Selecting Ranger in the class selector shows "Master Toxicist" costs 12c for Forbidden Flesh and 340c for Forbidden Flame — a total of 352c for the pair. Sort by Total ascending to see whether a different notable would be cheaper for the same effect you want.
Click the trade link next to each jewel to open pre-filtered searches on pathofexile.com. You must buy one Flesh AND one Flame with matching notable names — a Flesh "Master Toxicist" with a Flame "Avatar of the Hunt" does nothing. Socket both in adjacent jewel sockets near where the notable would naturally be allocated.
Tips
- The cheapest notables are usually ones that are already accessible to the ascendancy you are playing — there is no reason to buy Forbidden jewels for a notable you can just allocate normally.
- The most expensive notables are typically keystones from other ascendancies that enable entirely different build archetypes — like a Necromancer getting a Juggernaut defensive keystone.
- Prices between Flesh and Flame for the same notable can differ wildly. One might be 5c while the other is 500c. The total cost is what matters since you need both.
- Early in a league, many notables have zero listings. Prices stabilize after the first 1-2 weeks as players farm the Uber bosses that drop these jewels.
- Sort by total price to find the cheapest way to get a cross-ascendancy notable. Sort by name if you already know which notable you want.
Common Mistakes
- Buying two jewels with different notable names. The effect requires an exact name match. Flesh "Avatar of the Slaughter" + Flame "Avatar of the Hunt" grants nothing.
- Assuming any notable from any ascendancy is accessible. Forbidden jewels only grant notables from ascendancies that share your base class — Scion is the exception since it can take Ascendancy passives from any class through its own mechanic.
- Paying the listed price before checking listings. A notable can show 2c total because exactly one listing exists — by the time you open the trade site the jewel is gone and the "next" price is 50c. Always check the live trade page before assuming the tool price is purchasable.
- Socketing the jewels far from relevant nodes. Forbidden jewels grant the notable in your tree — the jewel radius does not matter for the grant itself, but you typically want the jewel in a spot where the granted notable makes sense with nearby allocated nodes.
Frequently Asked Questions
- Do I need both Forbidden Flame AND Forbidden Flesh?
- Yes. The effect only activates when both jewels are socketed and both have the same notable name. One jewel alone does nothing.
- Can I get notables from any ascendancy?
- Only from ascendancies that share your base class. A Witch (Necromancer) can get Elementalist or Occultist notables, but not Berserker (Marauder class) notables.
- Where do these jewels drop?
- Forbidden Flame drops from The Searing Exarch and Forbidden Flesh drops from The Eater of Worlds. The Uber versions of these bosses drop jewels with better notable pools.
- Why does a notable show 0c?
- There are no current listings on the trade site for that notable on that jewel type. This is common for unpopular notables or early in a league.
- Does the granted notable count toward my allocated passive count?
- No. Forbidden jewels grant the notable passive for free — they do not consume a passive point and they do not count toward your allocated nodes. You can stack as many Forbidden jewel pairs as you have jewel sockets for.
- Can the same notable be granted twice for double effect?
- No. Allocating the same notable from two Forbidden jewel pairs grants the notable once — passive effects are not stacked by duplicate allocation. Pick different notables for different pairs.
- Do keystones work through Forbidden jewels?
- Yes. Ascendancy keystones that are granted through Forbidden jewels behave identically to taking them directly. The full keystone text applies, including any downsides. Read the keystone carefully before committing — some keystones are build-defining (Call to Arms, Mortal Conviction) and some break the build entirely if granted unintentionally.
- Is there a difference between normal and Uber boss drops?
- Uber Searing Exarch and Uber Eater of Worlds drop Forbidden jewels with expanded notable pools, including the most powerful cross-ascendancy notables. Regular versions can still drop jewels but with a restricted pool, so some of the strongest notables are only available from Uber drops.